4/12/11 NOTES FROM GM HIP-HOP SURVEY SESSION 3 of 3

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HOW ABOUT HOLY HIP-HOP ?

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[foreword: all glory to Jesus Christ as we approach Easter, 2011 : this is not an endorsement nor criticism of any of the below groups or artists, simply reporting what I heard and saw about hip-hop at the two sessions I attended. As a Christian evangelist I recognize that "angst" is a part of the process of coming to Christ and even growing in Christ, and hope that hip-hop is another chapter in music history and American history that works for the glory of God in the long run. I myself grew up, in part, in Grand Rapids (MI), and in part, in Los Angeles (CA), even though I was born in Iowa City (IA), and have lived  (for several months, not years) in Costa Rica, Spain, Hawaii, & Philippines, and have spent significant time in many other places of the world and country. One thing I noticed Santelli seems to have a bias towards is the inner-city, and his own roots of New Jersey. He often speaks with pride and glory of Jersey and neighboring areas, but periodically would mention places such as "Des Moines, Iowa" as irrelevant and "white, Christian" ...he even referred to Switzerland as a bastion of "conservatism" and was so surprised to see a graffiti exhibition on display when he went there recently. Santelli apparently started out as a Rolling Stone reporter, and has worked for the Rock-&-Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland and lived in Seattle (I assume he worked for the music experience there ). I appreciate Santelli's work and what he's trying to do for music , but he should work on his bias against "white", against so-called "square Christians", against mid-west, etc. These are called "stereotypes" that don't fit everybody (reminds me of the conservative square Iowa stereotype ignorantly highlighted in the movie "Field of Dreams" ...NO, NOT everybody in Iowa is like that..] And NOT everybody in Jersey and New York is hip & cool (nor in Los Angeles for that matter) . And by the way, you ignored "holy hip-hop" . Apart from that, keep up the good work, Santelli, and the museum. Remember, not everybody "white" is a stupid, square, Christian (in the negative sense of being Christian according to liberal media) from Iowa, even if they were born in Iowa. Check your self-serving prejudices at the door.
JESUS CHRIST ROCKS !
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4/12/11 NOTES FROM GM HIP-HOP SURVEY SESSION 3 of 3

(also included at bottom is session 1) [ To see the rest of this, if it gets cut off, go to http://hearingtheword2.posterous.com/41211-notes-from-hip-hop-survey-session-3-of ]  HIP-hop session #3 of 3 (B. Santelli leading) : [he's reviewing some books as I arrive] ...Tricia rose, hop hop wars..

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...I took her place at rutgers....another..written colloquial....book..new history of.."big payback"...also nelson George..fellow journalist..jersey,,opinionated, but well-written.I was a rollng stone writer..

'500 greatest albums"..not many hip hop..very white..mtv did a series on greatest hop hop..wanted to go over greatest emcees. 10) ll cool j,

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9) eminem

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 8) ice cube

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 7) big daddy kane

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6) KRS-ONE

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5) nas

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4) ERIC B. (Eric Barrier) & RAKIM (william griffin, aka ra)

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3) notorious b.I.g, aka biggie, biggie smalls

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2) tupac

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1) jay-z (shawn corey carter) [conversation]..rock roll hall fame..they put us rolling stone writers..together..sppsd to pick 500..sppsd to be fun, but..by wed we were @ eachothers throats..who's missing? No females. Lauren hill? ..[what about lil wayne?]  thanks to http://drwizard.files.wordpress.com for the below pic

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& the albums?

10) pub enemy, nation of millions
  

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9) tupac
8) ____________

7) nwa 

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 6) jay-z

 5)run dmc raising hell
4) biggie, ready to die,
3). ..
2)?

1) paid in full (eric b. & rakim [spare, stripped down..rhyming, flawless,..his fav, raising hell ..6 of 10 from gangsta rap era ..

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[has this guy  abandoned anglos..has he  caved? Or is he speaking to his primary audience ? Only a handful of whites in the room of maybe 50]

...hip hop orig was new york centric..like 50's in memphis & orleans..but now things changing..begin. here in L.A. large af am pop in late 80's..lot of kids rapping , deejaying..public enemy (long island), ..why so amazing..first class..am bl roots of hip hop ..we mentioned gil scott herron..changing..g.master flash.. some dies..pub enemy brings it back.chuck d. Knows his ...pub enemy makes a political mess. ..from a white perspective..bob dylan..

Fear of a black planet..nation of millions..huge..brought over to white...white intells..get more intrsted..then nwa and tupac..gangsta rap..west coast..using what pub enemy doing back east..more outrageous & angry than pub enemy..

What we hear..chuck D....

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....at rock of fame..had him come & lecture ..he said it was a refl of blues..language previously couched..in blues..now able to scream it..listen to tupac, ... in harlem..

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...best pedigree..black panther..he was deep into it..early life a mess..what tupac ... shakur.this man had a..he was a 5 tool player....genuine anger..he was intelligent..bitter but intelligent..most important..listen to cadence of words..anyone can rhyme..but cadence..

Eminem..too many words..don't apprec his stuff as much...

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...tupac best ever..right in middle..perfect storm..east west..1990's..mid 90's..bitter rivalry east v west ..ironic ...and tupac ...then ----- killed..neither murder solved..//Why a feud ? East jealous?  Tupac..death row l.a..; bad boy east..so 2 diff schools forming.. Then puff daddy..sean combs (aka diddy, p diddy, puff daddy, p daddy) ...

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west... tupac..

2 "m words" .1) MEDIA..hip hop mags..source..vibe..'88 mtv raps ..2) MONEY ..early 90's..can make money..on radio...mtv..also white element..beastie boys..middle class white kids in suburbs..

Bold personalities..incendiary.. tupac murdered..

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later biggie (notorious B.I.G, Real name Christopher Wallace, aka biggie smalls)  killed.. 

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...media gets hold of it ..society says its out of control....when Biggie dies..album..double platinum.. Also the tree..acid jazz, socially conscious hip hop, funk jazz, trip hop, some from england ..england didn't embrace hip hop at first ..

Arrested development..? Hip hop?

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Some music lost relevancy..blues, big band ..glenn miller..ragtime..some become "historical"..mid-90's..hip hop not dying, but branching out..moody blues..I hated it...but difference between hating versus respecting [I actually liked moody blues & saw them @ hollywood bowl]

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Who else ? Outcasts?

WU-TANG ?

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LORDS of UNDERGROUND ?

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 ONYX ! ,.[several others shouted out]

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 ...hip hop 90's taking over...Now beyond nyc & LA..master P.

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..new orleans..t exploding..geographic connections..diff sound..good businessman..he also played b-ball..also atlanta...in south, but northern sensib.,,,also houston..health..multi-billion $ business..mainstreaming of hip hop,,,gangsta rap dies out...invention, re-invention..

...also, rise of detroit..eminem..major figure...brings detroit to forefront..making detroit hip..and then KID ROCK

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(I do NOT know what KID ROCK believes about JESUS, whether this is SACRELIGIOUS or A GENUINE TRIBUTE TO OUR SAVIOR

 ..real..metal..fringe genres..coming together w/ hop hop..limp biscit, korn,..

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Today? Hip hop becoming irrelevant? ..making lots of money..stop changing..less experimentation..less bold, ..fashion from hip hop ...u know u become mainstream when grammy recognizes u..heresy for me to say but..
Recording academy..being in biz..producer, writer, ..

[Plays vid eminem & elton jon..given hip hop's homophobic culture..
and says "this was seminal..." ]

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[ my comment: was it a seminal moment meaning  the BEGINNING of the END of hip-hop, as it lost its verve?] 

..2006 nas comes out saying hip hop dead

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..didn't want to stay stuck in rut...had nas here....rock hall of fame brings in hip hop, grammy awards..world knows hip hop ... After we did whitehouse thing..state dept..calls..cultural diplomacy..obama revived it.. they asked me to organize hop hop to go to muslim countries.[my comment: hip hop to muslim countries as a form of diplomacy ?! Please explain how that would appease muslims or appeal to muslims who already think of America as godless] .as did armstrong & ellington 50 yrs ago ...I couldn't run it..

Where is hop hop now ? Ring tone..commercialize..sound same..its on life support now..homogenized..mentions nicky menaj opening for britney spears in upcoming tour..360 degrees ..piracy..economy .. Country music still buys cd's ..loyalty..not download..not w/ hip hop....need audience with means to support act ..when economy of art form goes away..trouble ..younger gen doesn't feel the concept of spportin.."

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BELOW are the NOTES from SESSION 1 of 3
(I missed session 2 )
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3/29/11 NOTES FROM HIP-HOP SURVEY COURSE (1 of 3) taught by  Bob @ GM: "...learn more abt music forums....like hip hop..whats a middle age white guy teaching hip hop..I'm a musical historian...af am music my specialty..not hip hop.this class not like the elvis class.this is a survey course..3 periods as an overview..will have other courses..hip hop america's pop music now last quarter century..its a survey class..people who live this culture..if u want to add, embellish..can never learn too much..my expertise. Af am music..also reggae..after hip hop comes bob marley exhibit..a hip hop museum ready to launch..in bronx..I'm on board...maybe russel simmons on board..anybody see him here a few weeks ago....others coming chris blackwell, ..pbs special..kate..@ whitehouse..kate did this exhibit..don't need to agree..its interpretive..subjectivity.. otherwise just read in book ..used to teach @ rutgers..this is not academia..try to do this in colloquial way..not preach to u..meant to be entertaining..some here b/c I asked u to come..I didn't come quickly to hip hop..even tho I was there in the early 70's...think of 20th century..america's century..come to age as superpower..after fall of comm ..also musically, no country can touch what we have given to the world musically in 20th century..separate bl & wh culture..look @ af am contribs..as to amt..# of new forms..brilliant artists..overall impact.entire world..not all clear cut..jazz black music form..but dig down.others contrib too ..but in general..louis armstrong et al..blues blues jazz, soul, funk, r & b, disco, hip hop, bee bop swing, cool, fusion,,of all these forms..all given due..endorsed exported..except hip hop until now...revol music..challenges..polit..most recent..hasn't gotten its due.celeb gospel blues...maybe too controversial to get credit..still...what made it so..give & take of african cult..also anglo irish..also racism..extra tension..in nutshell..bl & wh celbr..where r we now..first time..af ams bouncing ...haven't had major music..lately..last was grunge..late 80's, 90's..music slowed down ?ess imp..25% decrease in concert att...here to ..soul music..motown..also...and atlantic..golden age..also rock roll..then 1970's..chronolog..musically '63 to '73..that's the 60's music era..hip hop..not 60's ..bronx..how go from soul ..then..to funk...I don't know re hip hop in '73 ..have to wait 6 years..before recorded artifact..rappers delight ..sugar hill gang..why in this ? .69 71 motown losing lustre..stevie wonder..migrated..motown leaves detroit comes here..but not like it used to be..sly & family stone..loses sensib as..couple key bands & artists..2 huge..gil scott herron ..last poets..black..music...."when revol comes.."..gangsta rap..not on radio..last poets..many blacks didn't even know of this music..marvin gaye..more known..cnsdrd greatest of all times..70-73 ..clip.."far too many of u dying.."...[red hat]..also "sounds of philadelphia"..the oj's..signed in cleve but rcrded in phillie.."love train" ....revolution vs love..this is backdrop to bronx ..no q..rock surfaces memphis ..why hip hop fr bronx..music to be created & sustained..not just artist but audience..in bronx..it was like beirut or baghdad..suffered incredibly..ny in bad condition..bronx pushed aside..gangs ..drugs..south bronx..maybe mother cabrini projrcts chicago..maybe south l.a....become so isolated..create in a vacum w/o outside interference or ack..seattle..grunge..a seam..pearl jam, nirvana..already formed b/f world knew..a lot carribeans settled nyc ..jamaicans..brooklyn..1962 jamaica indep..many got out..s. bronx...late 60's..kid campbell..clive ..from jamaica..brings..reggae..sound systems..everything outdoors ..disc jockey....toast over dub plates..jamaicans come to usa with this..clive campbell..longs for jamaica..wonders what he's doing in bronx..sound system..he didn't know he was creating history...invit..come to dj cool hercs party set up jamaica style..earliest hip hop...rap..part of af am cult..verbal battles..here at herks party..af ams and jamaicans together..'73..sudden concept of spinning records..unique way, art form..74 75..another frm..also hispanic & gay..disco..gets no respect...but it was important..w/o disco no m. Jackson, no usher..in manhattan..records..disc spun..if white grate dead, almond bros,..underground movement, black hispanic gay..dance again..mixing..never leave dance floor..77 sat night fever..mst imp of all time..j. travolta..exported disco cult..drugs..all this happ.. bee gees..trammpps...burn baby burn..disco inferno..red & white outfits..early hip hop would borrow from.some day will do disco shoe exhibit....or rush..sex pistols.springsteen..u had to select what u would embrace....people dressed their music..

Then bob marley..new sensib..lively up yourself..all this happening..rappers delight..sugarhill gang....soul train on tv..imp for black..this was seminal..just happened to catch it on camera..not the best

Three main entities..curtis blow..then up to run dmc ..hip hop is developing a consc style.that will explode...grand wizard theatre..scratching..then grand master flash. Popularized it..then .barbada (?)..flash a seminal giant..

Dj & mc..back then dj..was the guy..age of mc in future..dancing why they're spinning records..bee boy bee girl..bboy break dancing..some of best break dancers were latino ..

Tagging..grafitti..becomes part..cey dams..tagging did a piece here ..been dodging cops for 3 decades...there's a f you mentality in bronx..didn't want to be part of discos..taggers..socs & psys studied.. I was in zurich..most expensive place in world..cab..graffitti wall..

[He periodically makes some of his prejudices obvious..re "conservative zurich"..wouldn't apprec it in des moines iowa.."no offense to des moines"..let's "rock n roll"..(it was a term for sexual icourse)..he's talking to white christians....jazz also fr black culture ..means sex icourse.."

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