Monday, October 31, 2011

10/31/11 RUDY GULIANI @ GET MOTIVATED, LOS ANGELES, CA

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10/31/11 RUDY GULIANI @ GET MOTIVATED, LOS ANGELES, CA (this was an all day seminary with numerous big name speakers including Joe Montana, Laura Bush, Lou Holtz, Bill Cosby, & a few others) [these r a few notes & audio I took, with someparts missing]"...I was a republican  mayor of nyc,  when I was campaigning, a guy said "I wouldn't vote 4 u if hell froze over, ..[dudes behind me]..no snow last 3 years of my admin..I know why, its as scientific as Al Gore's theory. ..these days, too much info, too fast, , need to read books,,I'm reading reckless endangerment, , I am a brainwashed yankee fan, ..need to take 5 mins..maybe 25 every day to stop, relax, ..must love people, weddings r discretionary, funeral's are necessary, best safety net is friends..."

Recorded on: 10/31/11 1:45p Duration: 17:57

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10/31/11 RUDY GULIANI @ GET MOTIVATED, LOS ANGELES, CA

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10/31/11 RUDY GULIANI @ GET MOTIVATED, LOS ANGELES, CA (this was an all day seminary with numerous big name speakers including Joe Montana, Laura Bush, Lou Holtz, Bill Cosby, & a few others) [these r a few notes & audio I took, with someparts missing]"...I was a republican  mayor of nyc,  when I was campaigning, a guy said "I wouldn't vote 4 u if hell froze over, ..[dudes behind me]..no snow last 3 years of my admin..I know why, its as scientific as Al Gore's theory. ..these days, too much info, too fast, , need to read books,,I'm reading reckless endangerment, , I am a brainwashed yankee fan, ..need to take 5 mins..maybe 25 every day to stop, relax, ..must love people, weddings r discretionary, funeral's are necessary, best safety net is friends..."

Recorded on: 10/31/11 1:45p Duration: 17:57

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10/31/11 SPEECH by 1st LADY, LAURA BUSH, @ L.A.SEMINAR

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Recorded on: 10/31/11 11:52a Duration: 12:03

10/31/11 SPEECH by 1st LADY, LAURA BUSH, @ L.A.SEMINAR
Part of the "get motivated" seminar with a lot of big names, inncluding Colin Powell, Joe Montana,Lou Holyz, Stanley McChristal, among others, ..Laura spoke about the White House years, pre & post years as well, mentioned waiting for the election decision by the courts when the"zenmaster" (George) started "clearing brush" in Crawford , ..the change from cold war to war on terror, ..the 9 inaugural balls, , her emphasis on literacy as a former librarian, the National Book Festival, ..and of course 9/11 ...being bunkered down beneath the White House...she says she loved how George made her laugh, but the laughs were less after 9/11 ..she said she was "Bothered" by the malicious  gossip & tabloid nonsense, but "Didn't let it get to her.."

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10/31/11 SPEECH by 1st LADY, LAURA BUSH, @ L.A.SEMINAR

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10/31/11 SPEECH by 1st LADY, LAURA BUSH, @ L.A.SEMINAR
Part of the "get motivated" seminar with a lot of big names, inncluding Colin Powell, Joe Montana,Lou Holyz, Stanley McChristal, among others, ..Laura spoke about the White House years, pre & post years as well, mentioned waiting for the election decision by the courts when the"zenmaster" (George) started "clearing brush" in Crawford , ..the change from cold war to war on terror, ..the 9 inaugural balls, , her emphasis on literacy as a former librarian, the National Book Festival, ..and of course 9/11 ...being bunkered down beneath the White House...she says she loved how George made her laugh, but the laughs were less after 9/11 ..she said she was "Bothered" by the malicious  gossip & tabloid nonsense, but "Didn't let it get to her.."

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Sunday, October 30, 2011

**10/30/11 MORN ANNOUNCEMENTS & INTRO TO JAMIE KIM By S. Chongj

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**10/30/11 MORN ANNOUNCEMENTS & INTRO TO JAMIE KIM By S. Chongj

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10/30/11 CHONG @ HOLY WAVE

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Recorded on: 10/30/11 11:30a Duration: 05:02

**Fwd: Note: AB LOG 6/29/10 -10/8/11

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AB LOG
10/9 all things r possible , 99 cents haw gard
10/8 grace so sweet, 24 fit, gg
10/7 "help me' says god, @ fed bldg, wilshire
10/6 "I love u" says god 2 dress 4 less
10/6 "be confident" says god @ 24 fitness laboure
10/4 "sacred words" @  wayfarer chapel
10/1 do not b afraid, do not be intimidated, do u have conviction (la county fair), "love me" govt wants us 2 hate, but I say love
9/28 "is god calling u?" La
Verne lib

9/28 thank u Jesus @ incarn ralphs
9/27 Thank U Jesus ! (Fresh easy eagle rock),
9/24 "do u have any conviction?" Backbone (x2, 24 fitness, lost hubcap)
9/20 open secret, weho lib
9/19 god good, god love, cvs mary mag
9/18 "yes u can" bellflwr
9/17 "open secret" 24hr fit, stanton, ca (mayweathr wins)
9/16 "living water" lacf x3
9/15 "please listen" lacf x3
9/9 la county fair time 4 action & fly high !
9/7 "time 4 action", "time 4 actors" angels
9/6 "fly high!" Angels lost
9/5 truth will set u free, angels 3, labor day '11
9/2 new hope, angels twin(x3
9/1 st basil god rocks,
Black cd @ bev hills lib
8/30 god rocks, bev hills lib
8/24 pray 4 cry cat, angels
8/23 pray 4 libya; r u anxious,angels
8/21 libya is free !
8/17 "listen to the voice of greatness" angels
8/15 holy holy holy, angel v tex
8/7 be a soul surfer, us open hb
8/3 be a blessing, judge less,be less selfish, angels v twins loss
8/2 peace,love,pass it on angels v twins, win
8/1 rite aid bellflower
7/28 love is awesome ocf
7/27 share the love ocf
7/26 share the love, jolibee
7/23 body is good, spread love, edunstock
7/20 new wine @ angel game
7/19 go angels
7/16 bettr than 57 cHevy
7/15 do u want peace
7/11 new wave, malibu
7/5 ride this wave ! Belmont pk
6/30 a better WAY !zebra room hawthorne blvdm pray 4 our police , holwerda halford crossed out,
6/28 go angels !
6/23 $2 for girls volleyball @ ralphs arrow hwy on way
To nixon lib for troopathon
6/21 pentecost flames, burb lib
6/12 pentecost
6/11 "I got a feeling..."
6/8 "calling all angels..."
6/7 "calling all angels..."
6/6 my friend luke & john have something to tellu .. padres game (7-11..u like baseball? Singh..I like hockey)
6/3 only one padre
6/2 Jesus is llove, go padre (x3)
6/1 god is love, henrys market 645p
5/30-31 shamu is awesome, god is more awesome .. seaworld god is bigger than shamu...sham
5/29 laverne sb remembers u every day

5/28 @ starbucks lax, @ st. Brendan "homo is a sin.."
5/26 @ ho fam "do u truly believe
5/25 @ h fam,artesia listen to the truth
5/24 "calling all angels" @ orange lib & @ angels stadium
5/23 @ angel eckhof st, "what really matters"(x2)..plus "calling all angels" to come
5/21 @ angel street x3. "World is not ending"
5/20 @ 99 borromeo "just believe"
5/18 @ glendale pharmacy
5/14 35 @ malibu po, "better than malibu".
5/14 @ bank am (swiss bank acct?)in superhero bag
5/11 basic better living survival skills + I want u to know the truth, angels game
5/10 angels game "hit a homerun to heaven" you r the baseball & the bat.+ my peace I give to u, wrestling mask record
5/9 "my peace I give" x3, angels
5/6 compton, fresh & easy speak spanish or english,
5.5 malibu "this 1's 4 u"
5/4/11 god has a plan 4 u, 24 fitness, torr
5/4/11 this one's 4 u (x1) .99 cents
5/2/11 happ east pollo loco old car, bllflwr
5/1 happ east @ rite aid "how ya young man" + bryan & securty by my rac before chorus at bless sac
4/30 happ easter @ ralphs incarn, cleanup day
4/29 happy easter @ eagle rock rite aid
4/28 @ starbucks internet cafe, @ st.james
4/27 obama birth cert starbucks pch, torrance
4/25 2 HAPPY EASTER CD's 99 only, lomita
4/24 Happy easter L.A.
4/19 cvs sleep x2 esperanza, verdad
418 red beach, "takes a spark", st james
4/17 ab "I am ALWAYS HERE" ralphs gg 6am
4/12 ab gm albertsons, "living water"
4/10 gm, true oxygen, retirement near ho spirit
4/5 Eab's @ cvs, lomita,
3/31 @ dodgers opener "do u like dodgers, then u will love this" (the night the giant fan got beat up)
3/29 @ hip hop presentation (esperanza, verdad, libertad, paz,
3/29 sp ab's @ staples "sb watchin u"
3/28 sp ab's @ grammy, kenny rogers
3/23 sp ab to ldm fr man bch
3/22 @ cath laboure "true story..freedom"
3/21 cath laboure sleep site
3/20 l.a. marathon
3/18 aero theatre euclid & idaho
3/18 st basil true story re freedom day after leprechaun  world record
3/16 ab "freedom" @ strbucks, newspaper, west L.A.
3/15 st. Magdalene
3/13 3 sp AB's @ bellflower water
3/12 LISTEN, LEARN, LOVE, ft. Vall lib
3/12 a higher connection, borromeo slp
3/11 sheen & lohan
3/9 ash wed: "this is an apple" (fruits) cvs laboure
3/8 seward @ willoughby (grub cafe) "have some fruuit" (love patience kindness), sp's
3/8 @ rite aid sunset blvd after laminate, kinkos
3/7 st. Mary mag "real hope, believe , trust..."(kid put one back on my car)
3/6 riteaid glendale "ii hope u listen"
3/5 ralphs, ft. Valley "spanglish faith"
3/5 cerritos lib (listen ! + stars)
3/4 cvs artesia (don't trust me, this this, e-v)
2/28 walmart, artesia (listen, learn)
2/27 academy awards ("best orig Score")
2/24 @ dominc (no tags), vons .20 water. (Now, true, listen), riteaid sunset/vermont (time is now ! Serious!)

parked @ Pico & grand
2/23 @ glendale lib parking (silver ed)

2/20 all star.basil
2/19 pius
2/18 all-star
2/17/11 incarn sleep street
2/11 Undated, ***
2/3/11 cavalia
1/22/11 supercross, dodger
1/15/11 las vegas, several
12/18 newport parade
12/11 marina del rey christmas parade
12/6 central hs
12/5 chargers game
12/4 coronado
11/30 vons .20 cent water
11/29 adams ms
11/21 seaworld
Murrieta, vet day
Sony studio
11/01 burroughs
10/31 weho halloween
10/28 world series game 2(rain)
10/25 pio pico
10/21 foshay
10/20 rfk
10/19 @ belmont hs
10/14  @ crenshaw hs
10/9 @ raiders chargers
10/7 & 10/8 GIANTS BRAVES
10/5 @ mann ms, & @ bev hills lib
10/3 ? final dodger game what date ?
9/28 padres cubs
9/23 dodgers padres
9/22 dodgers padres
9/22 alhambra lib
9/17 Dodgers, rockies
9/10 padres v giants
9/8 padres v
9/7 angels v indians
9/3 @ BK, KING CITY CA
8.31 dodgers a few fresh
8/30 dodgers phillies, a few
8/29 hw 4ever cem several, also @ 1st one

8/23 angels v rays
8/22 camarillo p air show
8/21 dodgers reds x4
8/19 dodgers, "this is the truth"
8/18 @ dodgers v rockies
8/13 @ angels jays
8/10 @ angel royals last 2
8/7 @ harvest crusade
8/.5 @ dodger padre..go dodgers, go blue...this will save you
8/3 BIG DROP @ DODGER GAME...dodgers will fail, but this will save u

6/29 @ ANGELS
6/30 @ ANGELS
7/1 @ RITEAID PIC
7/3 @ SD Padre game
7/4 @ SD COUNTY fair
7/5 @ sea world
7/6 @ sd zoo
7/8 @ wap
7/9 @ dodger game (plus pics @ burb lib)
7/12 @ homerun drby
7/13 all star game
7/19 dodger giants
7/20 dodger giants
7/22/10 oc fair....back to top

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**Fwd: 10/28/11 BIBLE CD; U DO HAVE SOUL !

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Saturday, October 29, 2011

10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE;

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 3:28p Duration: 31:16

10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE; (I thought the previous lecture abt cultists at your door was Ron Rhodes, but apparently not, because this was a different person, & the actual ron rhodes, so I don't know who the previous fellow was, apparently their topics are interchangeable for the speakers or the schedule was mis-printed, the other speaker re cultists may have been paul copan (altho I think he did the speech on homosexuality) or ed hindson, or tim lahaye or randall price) BEGIN; HE says unitarian universalists have a strong influence..[this is where I came in on the lecture...he's talking about groups that dontbelieve in physical ressurection].."....Islam doesn't blv in ress, jehovah witness..only spiritual ress, bahai says no ress, But WITHOUT RESSURECTION, there's no Christianity. Key to gospel is ressurection, 1 cor 15.1-6, "..if Christ not risen.." ..also resurrection was predicted...mentions several verses incl ps 16.10-11, acts 13.33, ..talks about proof of ress...tomb empty (4000 pound stone not easily pushed aside), seal broken (penalty by death), guards fled (also death penalty), body missing.., same body..(mentions seed analogy), 1 cor 15.42-43, luke 24.39,  (he mentions bereans), acts 2.31 "raised in flesh", reference to gundry's study of "soma" (greek for flesh), witnesses, ring of authenticity, 1st appeard to mary mag (missed his point), also ress. Explains transformation of disciples..he references barry leventhal,..also jews abandoned judaism to follow Jesus, can only be explained by somethingas extraordinary as a resurrection, also James, the half-bro of Jesus..once he came to believe spent the rest of his life praying on his knees (online there are numerous references to james "camel knees")., also an ancient confession of faith (1cor 15, refernces habermas), and another mention of james & the post-ress appearance of Jesus to James ...he then talks abt the importance of believing we will have actual, physical bodies in heaven..he jokes about "perma flesh"..no disease, no allegies, .etc, ..and "death will be swallowed up in victory' (says its a play on words for jews), urges us to "keep an eternal perspective",  ..ends w referance to hermann lange (who wrote a letter to parents)..& mentions his book entitled "wonder of heavens"(?)..." END

10/29/11 (part 1 of 2) COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL,

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 1:49p Duration: 05:38

10/29/11 (part 1 of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 2:20p Duration: 09:17

10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

10/29/11 (part 1 of 2) COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL,

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10/29/11 (part 1 of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

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10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 2:20p Duration: 09:17

10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

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10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE;

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Recorded on: 10/29/11 3:28p Duration: 31:16

10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE; (I thought the previous lecture abt cultists at your door was Ron Rhodes, but apparently not, because this was a different person, & the actual ron rhodes, so I don't know who the previous fellow was, apparently their topics are interchangeable for the speakers or the schedule was mis-printed, the other speaker re cultists may have been paul copan (altho I think he did the speech on homosexuality) or ed hindson, or tim lahaye or randall price) BEGIN; HE says unitarian universalists have a strong influence..[this is where I came in on the lecture...he's talking about groups that dontbelieve in physical ressurection].."....Islam doesn't blv in ress, jehovah witness..only spiritual ress, bahai says no ress, But WITHOUT RESSURECTION, there's no Christianity. Key to gospel is ressurection, 1 cor 15.1-6, "..if Christ not risen.." ..also resurrection was predicted...mentions several verses incl ps 16.10-11, acts 13.33, ..talks about proof of ress...tomb empty (4000 pound stone not easily pushed aside), seal broken (penalty by death), guards fled (also death penalty), body missing.., same body..(mentions seed analogy), 1 cor 15.42-43, luke 24.39,  (he mentions bereans), acts 2.31 "raised in flesh", reference to gundry's study of "soma" (greek for flesh), witnesses, ring of authenticity, 1st appeard to mary mag (missed his point), also ress. Explains transformation of disciples..he references barry leventhal,..also jews abandoned judaism to follow Jesus, can only be explained by somethingas extraordinary as a resurrection, also James, the half-bro of Jesus..once he came to believe spent the rest of his life praying on his knees (online there are numerous references to james "camel knees")., also an ancient confession of faith (1cor 15, refernces habermas), and another mention of james & the post-ress appearance of Jesus to James ...he then talks abt the importance of believing we will have actual, physical bodies in heaven..he jokes about "perma flesh"..no disease, no allegies, .etc, ..and "death will be swallowed up in victory' (says its a play on words for jews), urges us to "keep an eternal perspective",  ..ends w referance to hermann lange (who wrote a letter to parents)..& mentions his book entitled "wonder of heavens"(?)..." END

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10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE;

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10/29/11 The REAL RON RHODES re HOW WE KNOW CHRIST AROSE; (I thought the previous lecture abt cultists at your door was Ron Rhodes, but apparently not, because this was a different person, & the actual ron rhodes, so I don't know who the previous fellow was, apparently their topics are interchangeable for the speakers or the schedule was mis-printed, the other speaker re cultists may have been paul copan (altho I think he did the speech on homosexuality) or ed hindson, or tim lahaye or randall price) BEGIN; HE says unitarian universalists have a strong influence..[this is where I came in on the lecture...he's talking about groups that dontbelieve in physical ressurection].."....Islam doesn't blv in ress, jehovah witness..only spiritual ress, bahai says no ress, But WITHOUT RESSURECTION, there's no Christianity. Key to gospel is ressurection, 1 cor 15.1-6, "..if Christ not risen.." ..also resurrection was predicted...mentions several verses incl ps 16.10-11, acts 13.33, ..talks about proof of ress...tomb empty (4000 pound stone not easily pushed aside), seal broken (penalty by death), guards fled (also death penalty), body missing.., same body..(mentions seed analogy), 1 cor 15.42-43, luke 24.39,  (he mentions bereans), acts 2.31 "raised in flesh", reference to gundry's study of "soma" (greek for flesh), witnesses, ring of authenticity, 1st appeard to mary mag (missed his point), also ress. Explains transformation of disciples..he references barry leventhal,..also jews abandoned judaism to follow Jesus, can only be explained by somethingas extraordinary as a resurrection, also James, the half-bro of Jesus..once he came to believe spent the rest of his life praying on his knees (online there are numerous references to james "camel knees")., also an ancient confession of faith (1cor 15, refernces habermas), and another mention of james & the post-ress appearance of Jesus to James ...he then talks abt the importance of believing we will have actual, physical bodies in heaven..he jokes about "perma flesh"..no disease, no allegies, .etc, ..and "death will be swallowed up in victory' (says its a play on words for jews), urges us to "keep an eternal perspective",  ..ends w referance to hermann lange (who wrote a letter to parents)..& mentions his book entitled "wonder of heavens"(?)..." END

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10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA

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10/29/11 (part 2 Of 2)COPAN re HOMOSEXUALITY at APOLOGETICS CONFERENCE, CALVARY CHAPEL, COSTA MESA (sponsored by Veritas Evangelical Seminary) (partial audio, partial notes, partial verbatim)
PAUL COPAN (first, b/c I came in late - didn't hear the intro. The schedule says Paul Copan was to speak on this topic but I've noticed that not all topics have been spoken by the scheduled speaker (or the schedule itself was wrong),..so this may be somebody else, but I will go by the name on the schedule. The title of the topic is "A BIBLICAL, MEDICAL, & MORAL LOOK at HOMOSEXUALITY"; BEGIN: "[when I entered he was talking about shem , ham japeth,...."they are  always mentioned in that sequence, ham sees dad naked, noah cursed youngest son..actually cursed canaan ?  The word for "know" often used to mean "sexual relations" ..."to know" the visitor..LOT knew they wanted homosexual relations. Jude 7 cites Sodom, ..abomination repulsion, ..says there is no salvation for those who practice a homosexual lifestyle, albeit there is forgiveness for those who had an incident here or there of such, or stop altogether such a lifestyle ..homosexuals try to argue that sodom & gomorrah was destroyed b/c the men were not hospitable or b/c they didn't care for the poor & needy, or that God was condemning "homosexual rape" not just being homosexual..Copan doesn't buy it...the scripture is too clear..1 tim 1.8-11..the re-statemment of 10 commandments by paul..copan says adultery covers all sexual immorality.. he mentions natural law..that the parts don't fit...and that law doesn't determinemorality but morality determines law..and his BEST LINE was "WHEN LAW CEASES TO FOLLOW MORALITY, WE NO LONGER HAVE TO FOLLOW IT". ...he goes on to refute other arguments such as "mutual consent"..noting that if two adults mutually consent to rob a bank its still illegal...he refutes right to privacy.."can't kill in private",..quotes Lincoln re slavery "NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WRONG"...Less than 1% of population practice homosexuality but we get an impression that it is much more, ..he says there is no genetic tendency for homosexuality, it is a chosen lifestyle...questions why they should be a protected class and not others.."why shouldn't homophobes be a protected class as well, then?"  Mentions case "Lawrence v Texas", mentions aids was orignally called "grid"(?) (Gay-related disease)..but because of lobbying the name was changed..." END

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, Part 2 Of 2: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 2):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door"

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 2) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes: "... Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, Part 2 Of 2: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 2):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door"

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 2) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes: "... Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 2) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes: "... Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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*10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

*10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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*10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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CITY TAKES PROTESTORS GAS GENERATORS, BUT THEY VOW 2 GET MORE

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS: 10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS (part 1):"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa (part 1 of 2, not complete)

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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10/29/11 RON RHODES re CULTISTS:"10 Keys to Answering Cultists at your Door" (part 1) , given at Apologetics Conference,Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa

(Notes &  Audio, not complete) Ron rhodes? Re cultists, larry parker's diabetic son died due to no medical treatment b/c he belvd Jehovah Witness(JW)..chr science also denies disease..cults pile on guilt..if u leave, u will be shunned, JW IN '75 told people to sell their homes, Jehovah is coming..disillusionment, ..hare krishna..sex once/month only for babies..
Strategy needed..not all blv same thing, mormons at diff level, some mormons r at the "temple reccomend" level (like a drivers lic), some have studied more, some less #2) know your bible, books 'approaching god" bypaul enns, (&several of his) #3) cultists have an answer for everything; #4) check scripture, check context, some say God disapproves of birthdays based on Matt 14.6-10 (re Herod). #5) define terms. Cults use Christianity's same terms with different meanings..they are always redefining; 6) Ask Strategic questions: don't use flamethrower approach which may win the argument but not the soul; 7) Be Loving; gives story of wind & sun, sun uses warm glow to break down barriers; 8) demonstrate deity of Christ (quotes Harry Ironside)...Mention deity of Christ,...Isaiah 43.11 'i am the only saviour..' compare to Titus.."Jesus is savior" .make connection to one & the same....jbap was preparing way for yawheh in theperson of Jesus
#9) emphasise awesomeness of god's grace..diamonds of grace show up best against black cloth...Mormons say we must be perfect, joseph smith "on road to perfection..." failure to achieve perfection, criticize selves harshly, many mormons hurting,..lack of forgiveness..then drop the H-bomb of GRACE...

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INCREDIBLE ENDING TO WORLD SERIES GAME 6, CARDINALS WIN IN 11

Re SOCKS FOR SOLDIERS !

BOY DIES AFTER SMOKING FAKE MARIJUANA FROM PLASTIC CANDY BOTTLE

CITY TAKES PROTESTORS GAS GENERATORS, BUT THEY VOW 2 GET MORE

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SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE ACTUALLY BECOMES A MILLIONAIRE

10/24/11 VM to BOB KOOL, HOLLAND CHRISTIAN MIDDLE, SOUTH SHORES

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From: "vanderkok [via Pixelpipe]"
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:31:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 10/24/11 VM to BOB KOOL, HOLLAND CHRISTIAN MIDDLE, SOUTH SHORES
To: vanderkok@gmail.com

hey bob ! its me, vander, kok, here in southern cal,...remember me,,,I
did student teaching in your classroom "back in the day"...and I want
to sincerely thank you..you were fairly kind & nice to me ..and I
worked hard, ..there's always going to be a little "give-&-take"
between two grown me ..we jostled a bit but it was ok ,, & u even
spoke at the end of year banquet, I madea few jokes "It was very
educational" I said...some took it in the wrong way as if I was being
cocky or sarcastic, the kid next to me blurted, "You're a dude!" What
was that all about. talk about inappropriate. Why did he say that ? Oh
well, life goes on. That punk was trying to sabotage me, God bless him
. He's not the first, won't be the last. That's life as a Christian.
persecution happens. Hope all is well bob, 4 u & family. keep the
faith, greetings to all


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Q&A; JOEL ROSENBERG & GREG LAURIE, HARVEST OC

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Q&A; JOEL ROSENBERG & GREG LAURIE, HARVEST OC

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(Pray4) LINDSAY LOHAN's PRECARIOUS PATH TO PLAYBOY

Lindsay Lohan caught my attention somewhere along the way &I've followed her journey, & have kept praying for her & sent her a Bible CD & even told her personally I am praying for her & blessed her when she arrived at court this summer. Now she's posing for playboy for a $1,000,000 , but that won't solve her long-term issues (of peace & eternal life). Here's an article about her path to Playboy, which is a shame because she's using her body solely for money. God be Lindsay. I ask all of u to keep praying for her.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/27/lindsay-lohan-path-to-nudity-in-playboy-rejecting-the-hangover-more.html?cid=INTERACTIVEONETRADE

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NOT A LESBIAN ANYMORE: WOMAN STARTS RELATIONSHIP W MALE MEDIC AT PROTESTOR

BLACKS WHO VOTE 4 OBAMA JUST B/c he's BLACK are..simply revealing their own prejudice and ignorance, & are no better than any other racists. In fact, I don't think Obama himself wants blacks to vote for him just b/c he's black. Remember that actually

BLACKS WHO VOTE 4 OBAMA JUST B/c he's BLACK are..simply revealing their own prejudice and ignorance, & are no better than any other racists. In fact, I don't think Obama himself wants blacks to vote for him just b/c he's black. Remember that actually Obama is only half-black. His mom was white. So the same black person who votes for Obama because he's black would vote against his mom if she were running for president versus a black candidate. Unless Obama has no true love or allegiance to his mother, he cannot be racist like the black person who "votes black" regardless & must despise such persons who vote solely on the basis of skin color. That would explain some of his disparaging remarks re blacks recently. Funny thing is that the black people who voted for Obama just becauses he's black may have gotten less of the bargain than they would had they voted white. Obama is not a "black lover" solely for the black cause & may not even think of himself as black, albeit his involvement with black panthers is confusing. He sends mixed messages to say the least.

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JERK ALERT Van with Lp 5fnm367 Just smashed my door with her door, without apology

JERK ALERT Van with Lp 5fnm367 Just smashed my door with her door, without apology, green van...western & magnolia 1015 am..I yelled..she just smiled, fat & numb..that's how they kill us..that's whyobesity is aproblem..its not just their health that's at risk, its that they are numbing themselves to feelings..and can smash my door withoutapology (she knew I was in the car..in fact it made me wonder if she did it on purpose..latinos being some of the most angry citizens in losangeles..without remorse..the kind u find at dodger games

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NOT VERY FUNNY: ORLANDO JONES SAYS "KILL PALIN" WAS A JOKE

Saint of the Day (October 29, 2011) - St. Narcissus of Jerusalem

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St. Narcissus of Jerusalem
(d. 215)

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Life in second- and third-century Jerusalem couldn’t have been easy, but St. Narcissus managed to live well beyond 100. Some even speculate he lived to 160.

Details of his life are sketchy, but there are many reports of his miracles. The miracle for which he is most remembered was turning water into oil for use in the church lamps on Holy Saturday when the deacons had forgotten to provide any.

We do know that Narcissus became bishop of Jerusalem in the late second century. He was known for his holiness, but there are hints that many people found him harsh and rigid in his efforts to impose church discipline. One of his many detractors accused Narcissus of a serious crime at one point. Though the charges against him did not hold up, he used the occasion to retire from his role as bishop and live in solitude. His disappearance was so sudden and convincing that many people assumed he had actually died.

Several successors were appointed during his years in isolation. Finally, Narcissus reappeared in Jerusalem and was persuaded to resume his duties. By then, he had reached an advanced age, so a younger bishop was brought in to assist him until his death.

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Friday, October 28, 2011

10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG: SPEAKING AT OC HARVEST re NEW Book

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10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG: SPEAKING AT OC HARVEST re NEW Book

10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG DISCUSSES ISLAM & IRAN, & CHRISTIAN ISSUES @ GREG LAURIE's OC HARVEST CHURCH ....I think I saw him one before at a crusade/revival in coachella (not a harvest crusade)  ..he was born into an orthodox Jewish family, but became a Christian..he's written several books including some fiction stories that seem to have some parallels, maybe even prophetic, to real life tragic events involving terror ...(I hope he's not putting ideas into the enemies mind which leads to it coming true)   earlier this evening he was on the frank pastore radio show...he discusses the threat of iran to the world, including, or especially, America & Israel (I've been hearing a lot of talk recently about the importance of Israel having their own land & the importance of America "blessing" Israel..even one fellow on the radio said today that he believes our economy may be influenced positively or negatively by our posture towards America, & that because Obama has not been very favorable towards Israel, our economy has worsened..albeit I always thought the "new Israel" would be all Christian believers & didn't necessarily require actual, physical land for those specifically of Semitic heritage...I wonder if Rosenberg's Jewish upbringing pushes him, theologically, in that direction, even as a Christian ...) and Rosenberg talked about Mog & Magog (which he is convinced is a reference to what is now Russia) and other geographical names in the Bible, one of which he contends is for Iran,..the EXCITING thing about his speech (& there were many points which I can't cover all here& now) is that he believes Iran will be a central force for both good as well as potential evil.....the evil being their radicalism (albeit, he points out that not all Islams have a radical agenda)..especially if they get nuclear weapons, & especially if they align themselves with Iraq (which will be without USA Forces by the end of the year) & possibly Libya, among others,..BUT THE GOOD POTENTIAL is that some of the Sharia Muslims...if they get LED TO CHRIST will become a Great force for evangelical Christianity...and he gives an example of this Muslim who came to southern Cal & eventually came to Christ and is now known as the "Billy Graham of Iran" ..and so the thrust of his message is a reminder to us as evangelical Christians to keep praying for Iran & Muslims worldwide & keep doing (or begin doing) evangelism...& be willing to go to Muslim countries if you are called by God ..he gives an example of a group putting the Jesus film on satellite tv in the farsi language & one day an elderly lady in Iran came across it on satellite tv & watched it & it was the first time she had heard the gospel message..& she actually had a supernatural encounter with Jesus at that moment.... he emphasizes that the church needs to do more, much more, evangelically, & that our future as a country may depend upon it ...and I say AMEN to that ! as for all the interpretation of times & places in the bible..even though I went to seminary & studied greek & hebrew (& a little aramaic & arabic )...interpretation of that nature is  too complex for me....I'm more of a "simple evangelical" emphasizing bringing the good news in one way or another to all people & hoping & praying for the best, & then depending on God to do the rest,..but YES, eachof us will be judged according to the fruits we bear...so don't take it too nonchalantly, yet don't become legalistic either, thinking u can get to heaven "by works" ...the fruit will be a natural product, not something contrived...it will, or should, come naturally & gracefully, from those who truly know they are saved sinners..the first step for some, in America, is realizing they are sinners (we all are, but modern society doesn't want us to think so) ...anyways, u can find out more about Joel at his website, www.JoelRosenberg.com

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10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG: SPEAKING AT OC HARVEST re NEW Book

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10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG: SPEAKING AT OC HARVEST re NEW Book

10/27/11 JOEL ROSENBERG DISCUSSES ISLAM & IRAN, & CHRISTIAN ISSUES @ GREG LAURIE's OC HARVEST CHURCH ....I think I saw him one before at a crusade/revival in coachella (not a harvest crusade)  ..he was born into an orthodox Jewish family, but became a Christian..he's written several books including some fiction stories that seem to have some parallels, maybe even prophetic, to real life tragic events involving terror ...(I hope he's not putting ideas into the enemies mind which leads to it coming true)   earlier this evening he was on the frank pastore radio show...he discusses the threat of iran to the world, including, or especially, America & Israel (I've been hearing a lot of talk recently about the importance of Israel having their own land & the importance of America "blessing" Israel..even one fellow on the radio said today that he believes our economy may be influenced positively or negatively by our posture towards America, & that because Obama has not been very favorable towards Israel, our economy has worsened..albeit I always thought the "new Israel" would be all Christian believers & didn't necessarily require actual, physical land for those specifically of Semitic heritage...I wonder if Rosenberg's Jewish upbringing pushes him, theologically, in that direction, even as a Christian ...) and Rosenberg talked about Mog & Magog (which he is convinced is a reference to what is now Russia) and other geographical names in the Bible, one of which he contends is for Iran,..the EXCITING thing about his speech (& there were many points which I can't cover all here& now) is that he believes Iran will be a central force for both good as well as potential evil.....the evil being their radicalism (albeit, he points out that not all Islams have a radical agenda)..especially if they get nuclear weapons, & especially if they align themselves with Iraq (which will be without USA Forces by the end of the year) & possibly Libya, among others,..BUT THE GOOD POTENTIAL is that some of the Sharia Muslims...if they get LED TO CHRIST will become a Great force for evangelical Christianity...and he gives an example of this Muslim who came to southern Cal & eventually came to Christ and is now known as the "Billy Graham of Iran" ..and so the thrust of his message is a reminder to us as evangelical Christians to keep praying for Iran & Muslims worldwide & keep doing (or begin doing) evangelism...& be willing to go to Muslim countries if you are called by God ..he gives an example of a group putting the Jesus film on satellite tv in the farsi language & one day an elderly lady in Iran came across it on satellite tv & watched it & it was the first time she had heard the gospel message..& she actually had a supernatural encounter with Jesus at that moment.... he emphasizes that the church needs to do more, much more, evangelically, & that our future as a country may depend upon it ...and I say AMEN to that ! as for all the interpretation of times & places in the bible..even though I went to seminary & studied greek & hebrew (& a little aramaic & arabic )...interpretation of that nature is  too complex for me....I'm more of a "simple evangelical" emphasizing bringing the good news in one way or another to all people & hoping & praying for the best, & then depending on God to do the rest,..but YES, eachof us will be judged according to the fruits we bear...so don't take it too nonchalantly, yet don't become legalistic either, thinking u can get to heaven "by works" ...the fruit will be a natural product, not something contrived...it will, or should, come naturally & gracefully, from those who truly know they are saved sinners..the first step for some, in America, is realizing they are sinners (we all are, but modern society doesn't want us to think so) ...anyways, u can find out more about Joel at his website, www.JoelRosenberg.com

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